Speaker 2 00:00:08 The name of this episode is times they are a change in
Speaker 3 00:00:12 It absolutely is not. <laugh> the name of the name of this episode is Chacha cha changes.
Speaker 2 00:00:19 Yeah. The name of this episode is for every time there is a season it's biblical.
Speaker 3 00:00:24 No, the name of Ecclesiastes is for every time there is a season. The name of this episode is ch cha cha changes.
Speaker 2 00:00:34 All right. The name of this episode is Chicha Chi changes
Speaker 3 00:00:37 Unless you're watching the opening credits of the Watchman. In which case? Yes. You can then get all Bob Dylan on us.
Speaker 2 00:00:45 Okay. All right. Interesting. Yeah. Uh, I also, because you said Ecclesiastes, I have to give a shout out to Alexina who recently called, Like was like, Hey, did you know that there's a book in the Bible that's written by some emo kid. And I was like, you're talking about Ecclesiastes and king Solomon aren't you. And she was like, that guy is so emo. I was like, that is a re that's actually a great way to describe that book. So times they are changing,
Speaker 3 00:01:14 No Chacha cha changes <laugh> you just now wanna mess with me. <laugh> okay. But the reason why is because years ago, when we had cloud T and T, we were literally recording a podcast with Yumi and Joanie on the exact day that David Bowie died. Matter of fact, it came up on CNN while we were recording. I remember that. Then we ended the episode with a David Bowie song. So there you go. It's just, it's longitudinal consistency. That only makes sense in my head and my head alone, but because this is our podcast. Yeah. You know, I can inflict it on all of you.
Speaker 2 00:01:55 Yeah. Well, well thank you for, thank you for the infliction.
Speaker 3 00:01:58 Absolutely.
Speaker 2 00:01:59 Is it infl? I think it's affliction, right? AF infliction
Speaker 3 00:02:03 For the affliction. You know, someone just used the phrase with me, put them a awake on. And I was like, I haven't heard that since long island on the east coast when I was a child. So I don't even know if it's something you can say anymore, but I just did. And here you
Speaker 2 00:02:16 Go. I've never heard of it.
Speaker 3 00:02:17 Yeah. Put them alike on someone is to sort of put the evil eye or the curse on them, so, oh, okay. Something I haven't heard since decades, so well,
Speaker 2 00:02:26 Okay. So, um, What is changing and, you know, we're, we wanna talk about things that are changing, but we wanna start with, what's not changing and what is not changing is us doing this podcast. And that is like, that is very near and dear to us. Um, because you all have now listened to us over 11,000 times. Um, and that is really amazing. We're kind of shocked about that because it really started as just like a, Hey, like you remember when we had like pieces of paper, we were holding up and all of that. And so, um,
Speaker 3 00:03:08 Zero production value. I was trying to do Photoshop and final cut pro on a MacBook air, which anybody who's ever attempted that we'll sympathize with that. And then Tim was like, oh good God, how much time are you putting into this? And I was like, as long as it takes to render. So thank you, Connor for becoming yes. Thank you. Connor. Our editor in that moment.
Speaker 2 00:03:32 Absolutely. And, um, on that point, we, we love hearing from you. So we'll say this multiple times, but let us know, uh, that you're listening to us. We like hearing that and, uh, and what you like, so, yeah. Um, yeah. Okay. So, uh, just about the podcast, like there's a couple of things that we wanna say about like, what's going on with podcast, cuz some stuff is changing even in the podcast, but it won't affect your listening to it. What it will affect is that you can continue to listen to it. So Tracy, take it away on that.
Speaker 3 00:04:07 Sure. Uh, so here's the scoop folks. We started this podcast and his podcast in September, 2020 to basically have conversations with people that we wouldn't ordinarily work with, but we wanted to know, and for a long time it was right off the side of our desk and then it became more. And part of why it became more is because of the guests we had and part of why it became more is because of the folks who were tuning into it. And we take our commitment to have vulnerable and mind expanding conversations and broaden the thinking of folks who serve the impact economy very seriously. So we incorporated it as part of my job in now it matters, which was director of innovation and what we've now done is spin up why it matters as its own official business and entity and production. And Tim and I are now officially co-owners of why it matters.
Speaker 3 00:05:18 So why it matters is not changing. If anything, it's expanding and growing, we have a new website, it will be why it matters.xyz. Yes. Dot XYZ, very crypto very now, very, very posh. Um, and we are still committed to our core values of having conversations with the people behind the service, to the impact economy for it. So that's a few of the things that are not changing at all. Also what's not changing is my constant like shifting up and down and left and right to both position myself correctly in front of the microphone and mitigate glare on my glasses at the same time. For those of you who watch the video.
Speaker 2 00:06:08 Yeah. For any of you who watch the videos are apologies on multiple fronts for all
Speaker 3 00:06:12 Of them and
Speaker 2 00:06:13 Eyes looking everywhere. I cannot stand watching myself on that, but um,
Speaker 3 00:06:18 Oh, I hate it too, but I know there's people, but I like that actually
Speaker 2 00:06:23 Too, like watching. Yeah. I don't think you're weird. I think I'm weird. I, I think it's just like, you know,
Speaker 3 00:06:27 Listen, that's funny cuz I'm like Tim is so like normal and monotone and I'm like twitching and shrugging and shaking and moving up and down and everything. So yeah, it's, I'll also
Speaker 2 00:06:36 Say what's not gonna change is that this is fun. Like it is so easy to talk like of all the things I've done, uh, of which there are quite a few that are really challenging and difficult and just you muddle your way through and you make it, this has been like so easy to just hit record and talk to a friend about things that are interesting and real and you know, uh, and I'm sure it is goofy and I don't care. Like that's fine. So that's probably not gonna change either. Um, and so that, yeah, that's been great. Something you can continue to count on. Yeah. Is that we will be here talking and bantering about things
Speaker 3 00:07:18 That matter. And, and for those of you who are watching on YouTube, you can absolutely count on the awkward video. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 00:07:24 Yes. There you go know
Speaker 3 00:07:25 There.
Speaker 2 00:07:25 All right. So what things are changing then I think is the, is the, the big question, um, before we move off of that, I've gotta ask for you as listeners and Watchers. Um, we ha since we do have an actual full up website domain of why it matters dot X, Y, Z, we wanna get mail. We want, we wanna get some mail from our listeners. And so, um, you can email hello, why it matters XYZ. And let us know that you're listening. You can send us questions. You can complain about how, you know, much Tracy talks and shuffles and looks all over the
Speaker 3 00:08:08 Screen, dominates all the things. Do you know, steam rolls
Speaker 2 00:08:15 Complain about me being in black and white. So, so complaining is totally fine. We won't change a thing, but you're welcome to complain. It's like definitely the suggestion box. No, we would love to hear about that. Um, then we would love to hear what content, what questions who, you know, who do you know that we should have on this show and talk with, um, what voices are we listening to? And we do wanna find the voices that are saying things that are extraordinary and that may, and that people may not know about, um, as something that we've really enjoyed is finding, finding those voices. So, um, and then I wanna just throw in there. We've done a lot now. Like I'm old,
Speaker 3 00:08:53 <laugh>, I'm old too. I'm gonna say something about being an old man. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:08:57 Yeah. Right. Yeah. And we know a lot about the tech and nonprofit career trajectories. And so I just wanna say if that's interesting to you, if careers working in this space, if that's interesting, send us questions about that. We would love to answer questions about, uh, a career in the, uh, nonprofit tech space. So, um,
Speaker 3 00:09:18 Yeah. And I'll also say to the point of being old, like, uh, you know, I really do. I'm more of something, uh, years old. And, uh, one of the interesting things that happens is when you're young, you have flexible memory and mind space, and that offers you the ability to approach your work and approach your life in a certain modality. When you age flexible memory and mind space becomes crystalline, and it gives you a different type of wisdom and a different type of perspective on your work and, and the world needs both of those. But one thing I will say is true is now that I think I personally have a heck of a ton of folks involved with whatever the heck I post on LinkedIn folks have called me out on a few things because crystalline memory doesn't always keep up with new terminology. So like, you know, you can do that too. And generally my response is sure, made that mistake. No worries. And that's all right, too. Um, and we are of a certain generation that kind of straddles old and new both Tim and I, and we're aware of that. And so therefore, hello at now it matters or excuse me,
[email protected] is your line to our podcast and you should feel free to use it
Speaker 2 00:10:57 Yeah. At that's. So, so true about memory and um, all the rest yeah. Memory.
Speaker 3 00:11:04 Yeah. Also when you could do, tend to idolize the seventies and you're like, man, I just wish it could be 1978 all over again. Um, so
Speaker 2 00:11:14 Yeah, I don't, I, I, I am not
Speaker 3 00:11:17 The music alone.
Speaker 2 00:11:18 I, well, the music sure.
Speaker 3 00:11:20 I can't wait to introduce our kids to like pink Floyd and all that stuff. Anyhow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:11:25 So, so let's get into what is changing. I think people are probably excited to hear, so, um,
Speaker 3 00:11:31 Here's, what's going on folks. I am departing now it matters as director of innovation and I am starting a new role at a new company. That announcement is going to be made on LinkedIn in very short order in, in the coming days. And matter of fact, LinkedIn now is the only place you can find me. I've killed all of my social media accounts, Facebook, Twitter. I don't think I had anything else. Maybe I have other things, but if, if you see my name there, you can guarantee, I don't even know I'm there. So there you go. Uh, unless of course, you're on next door, out here in Livermore and you'll understand.
Speaker 2 00:12:14 Did you, did you shut down your MySpace?
Speaker 3 00:12:16 I, I couldn't understand MySpace, so I never got into it. <laugh> um, unless you're on next door, out here in Livermore, in which you'll understand that this is an entire town comprised of Agatha nesses, um, which the Marvel nerds will recognize out there. Uh, in which case we all have to have our knitting circles and busy bodies and gosh, darn you gotta keep abreast somewhere. So
Speaker 2 00:12:41 Livermore is really cute by the way. Oh, it's I just got, I love this town. I was just there visiting you. And yeah, it was, it was very fun, very
Speaker 3 00:12:49 Being marginally involved with city politics also like, lets me quote Ghostbusters a lot, you know, the bill Murray line where he is like, I gotta go, I gotta rap with the mayor now. Um, which is hilarious because we're such a small town, it's like a hundred thousand people and we have a five person city leadership. Uh, so it's like actually not very hard to do that out here, but it still is fun. Um, so, uh,
Speaker 2 00:13:17 Congratulate. So, you know, first. Yeah. How do you feel about, uh, so this is, today is today is this is last hour. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:13:27 Last hour last
Speaker 2 00:13:28 Direct with innovation.
Speaker 3 00:13:30 After we hang up here, I'm gonna go run over to where we're storing our camper and go grab that thing and punch out for a few days on the coast with Amy. And that'll be great.
Speaker 2 00:13:41 So I'm gonna get personal here for a second. Oh no. And yeah, no, you knew this was coming. Ah, and say, first of all, to our listeners, there is no friction at all. <laugh> about Traci leaving. There are no hard feelings. I did not fire Traci. Uh, in fact there has been conversation That was awesome conversation for a long time about what does this look like? Um, and, uh, you know, as, as you are wondering, what's next in your career and from day once, um, at, at now it matters, it was such a, it was such a unique moment in time. So first of all, I, I have loved, loved, loved working with you. Like
Speaker 3 00:14:29 The very same
Speaker 2 00:14:30 It has been. I, I think you're one of the few people that has worked here that I've not made cry, which I'm so happy about. Um, and, um, and it's, it's been, I, I think that there were moments in the past where I was like, I wonder if I should bring Tracy on. And I think that there was a lot of fear on my end that it would interrupt or, uh, like, like leave us without a friendship at the end. Uh, if it went badly and with you and I being such strong personalities, I was like, you know, what are the odds on it going badly, very high, you know, don't, don't hire your friends, all of that.
Speaker 3 00:15:07 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:15:08 And so our conversation
Speaker 3 00:15:10 Mean to get, to get biblical neither a borrower nor lender B
Speaker 2 00:15:14 You know? Yeah. Oh my gosh. You like, I have so many thoughts about what that action.
Speaker 3 00:15:19 I know, Bible stuff.
Speaker 2 00:15:21 Oh my gosh. So anyway, that's all. Well, and then the other thing is that in a moment where I was like, I know that Tracy's looking for something and I know that I actually just got PPP funding to bring on. And, um, and to ensure that people have jobs like this is in exactly center line on what this funding is supposed to be used for, that it lined up. And I, I remember, um, I remember calling Dan Lamont and just saying, Hey, I wanna gut check really quickly. Like, what do you think about this? And Dan was just like, it's not even a question, do it like in a heartbeat, do it. And so, um, so thanks for that advice, Dan, shout out to you for that. Um, and then you and I talked about like, okay, well, like let's use this for six weeks. Cause at that point we thought the pandemic was gonna be a six week thing,
Speaker 3 00:16:17 Two weeks. Remember that folks we're gonna hang out weeks and the whole pandemic will be gone.
Speaker 2 00:16:22 Oh my gosh. So, um, so I was like, let, let's do a review at six weeks and see if it's working. And then yeah. And then I said, and at six months and at one year, and I was just like, and let's also like, make sure that if it's not going well, either of us can say that and, and all of that. Um, and I, I didn't really know what to expect, but it is. But, um, every time we talked about that, it, it just felt like, yeah, this works really well so much so that I finally in September went to you. And he said, I, I think that we need to make why it matters its own property. So that for sure we can so
Speaker 3 00:16:59 Keep for sure we thing together
Speaker 2 00:17:01 On this. And I think you, yeah, so,
Speaker 3 00:17:03 Well, I'll tell you how that looked when I was interviewing for this new role. And that is, I was, I was in my, like, you know, third and final round of interview where they sort of take you out and put you in front of like the executive leadership of the organization. And I was talking to one of the like SVPs and telling, telling him truly like all the things we've done at now, it matters and the stuff we've built and, and the pivots we've made and the places we've found ourselves. And he was like, wait a minute. So, so why the hell do you wanna leave? And I was like, wait, no, stop. It's it's about, it's about bigger changes, you know? Yeah. Like, right. Yeah. You know, bigger changes
Speaker 2 00:17:44 With paychecks. Uh, so no, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 00:17:48 Small business has its absolute ups and downs, as we all know.
Speaker 2 00:17:52 Yeah. Well, and also you're, you should be, I think that what's been clear in the last few months is how we have our expert areas.
Speaker 3 00:18:01 Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:18:02 Yeah. And that, they're not the same, even though we've been on this journey together, um, they're not the same. And I'll talk about my journey in just a minute. But, um, in the midst of that journey, it's been clarifying, even these conversations have been clarifying to say like, what is it that we're best at and that we can only we can do. And, um, it's very clear that that you think about the platform world so uniquely and about the way that, um, the way that partnerships work, the way that businesses work, the way that the future of this is gonna look different than the past has looked. And so, uh, I know we're not saying what your new role is, but I'm very excited because I think you're gonna create so much change at that role in a way that you couldn't now it matters. You just didn't have the visibility for that. And I think that, you know, we created a lot of mindset together on a way that we could do this whole stuff differently. And, um, and I feel like it's, it's really, I'm so excited about seeing you take that with you, um, to where you're going next.
Speaker 3 00:19:08 So yeah. And I've really, you know, to sort of put a fine point on it. I've learned so much being part of this journey here. You know, we were talking earlier about, you know, how this job positioned me to understand leadership in a new way. And I think I've learned so much from you, you know, and I mean, you and I were so cautious. We were like, we have to create an eject button in case our friendship feels threatened by this. And in the end it was like the conversation we wound up having was like, gosh, this is sad. This is changes. But I also miss like friend Tim, you know, just like not boss Tim or not coworker Tim. So we're excited about what's next because this will keep us hopefully knocking our heads together. And we each are gonna go on to a couple of endeavors.
Speaker 3 00:20:09 So one final point we'll make, before I turn it over to you to wrap Tim is as I settle in, in the new role, there's probably gonna be a little bit of a pause in our programming that pause will probably hit over the summertime and that's probably gonna be okay because a lot of folks go away and travel and do stuff anyhow. So we are going to figure all of that out. And it'll just take a little bit of time because schedules and coordination and all that good stuff. But when we do, we'll be right here and right back in your ear. Wow. That rhymes. That was too.
Speaker 2 00:20:47 I know that was good rhyme. No, I liked
Speaker 3 00:20:49 It. I liked it was good. Um, why couldn't have, I just said I'm vengeance like Batman, I don't know. Um, <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:20:57 That made no sense in context and you're thing that you did say did I
Speaker 3 00:21:01 We'll be right here and I'm vengeance, uh, there,
Speaker 2 00:21:06 No, I think in your ear, like works a lot better.
Speaker 3 00:21:09 Okay. Um, right here and in your ear, Tim, why don't you, uh, close off with what's going on with you next?
Speaker 2 00:21:15 Yeah. So, um, this is, uh, very, very like this is, this is a lot for me to, to say, but I will also be starting a new job. And, um, that job is going to be CEO of the human stack, which is the brand that I'm starting up, uh, as a way to engage what we've been talking about here and everywhere else. And, um, I was explaining to somebody as this is something I can't not do like this is, this is what's in my bones is seeing the human stack really come to life and being just as thought of just as legitimately as the tech stack. And, um, and so what does that look like? That looks like a new brand. Um, you know, if you are a, now it matters client do not do not panic. Um, yeah. What we will
Speaker 3 00:22:16 Check the hitchhiker guide. Don't
Speaker 2 00:22:18 Panic. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Don't, don't panic. And, and I think I've talked with all of our clients about this and let them know that there's this change coming. And, uh, it will probably not mean that much. Um, for me it feels really monumental because now it matters and the, you know, has just been so part of me and our family for, you know, since 2010 and, uh, you know, I was talking with a friend about this and I've I've counsel, I've gotten counsel from so many really great people about what to call it, what to think about it, like, you know, is it time? Should I do this? And it's really scary to step into, into that, um, into that new entity. But I think what really makes me feel like I need to do this. And, uh, even though I'm like stopping a brand that I've been so dedicated to for so long is that that brand really has been about the tech stack.
Speaker 2 00:23:13 And it's like right in there, the it, and, and, um, and I think the tech stack is incredibly important. I'm not, you know, like you and I have said like the, it makes it, it makes a big difference and we need to do that well, but there are a lot of brands out there that are configuring the tech stack all the time and evolving the tech stack. And I feel like there's a unique space for me to be talking about the human stack as its own thing. And there are not like that isn't out there being talked about. And so that's kind of my thing. Um, and, uh, so I'll be stepping into that, uh, the details of that, the website, all of that, like forthcoming, this is a big foreshadow, um, and, and a big, scary step forward for me just to say it publicly. So it's kind of nice to have this as a way to do that, but it's all underlining one big fact, which is that why it matters is well named it's it's well named because we do need to keep talking about why this does matter, why, you know, um, why the tech is important, why, what we're doing with it is important. And, um, and that, and that those conversations are gonna be continuing right here, uh, in your ear going forward. And we're excited about that.
Speaker 3 00:24:33 Yeah. Super excited. Also, you know, the human stack is so much better of a brand than the runner up, which I think was, what time is it right now? Dot com. Was that the runner up? <laugh> what time is it right now? Now it's time right now. Dot com. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:24:50 No. Now, now matters.
Speaker 3 00:24:52 Now matters time now matters matters in time. I don't know. Right. Um, and, and I'll only echo what Tim said, and that is, I am so grateful for all of the folks out there who have tuned into us, who send me little notes on LinkedIn, who keep us honest. And it is really important to keep digging into the why, because why is the fundamental premise of a generatives discussion and all things begin with dialogue. So looking forward to continuing ours with you.
Speaker 2 00:25:28 Thanks partner.
Speaker 3 00:25:30 Thanks everyone. See you soon. This is Tracy KZA
Speaker 2 00:25:36 And I'm Tim Lockey,
Speaker 3 00:25:37 And you've been listening to why it matters an independent production that captures our passions, personalities, and purpose for technology as applied to the impact economy.
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